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Cutting edge conversation between Max Freakout and Cyber Disciple. In this episode Max and Cyb continue to discuss Plato, his philosophy and political involvement. Topics discussed include:

– Psychedelic initiation in ancient Greece
– Application of Platonism to religion
– The importance of rationality in Platonism, applying strict rationality to the psychedelic altered state
– Competitive nature of Socratic dialogues
– Socratic interrogation as metaphor for loosened cognition
– Platonic dualism – two-level system
– Geometric illustration of Platonic higher-level perfection
– The cave allegory and how it models multi-state cognition
– Unhelpfulness of the “real/unreal” binary distinction
– Plato’s Republic and the difficulties of integrating psychedelic initiation into society
– Comparison of Platonism with Christianity, their respective political motivations



Cutting edge conversation between Max Freakout and Cyber Disciple. In this episode Max and Cyb plan subjects for future podcast episodes.

Topics covered include:
The various modern approaches towards psychedelia
Esotericism and exotericism
The similarity between plant-spirit shamanism (such as Santo Daime) and esoteric Christianity
Entheogenic and placebo eucharist
The link between exotericism and prohibitionism
The legal position of ayahuasca churches
Drug policy reform and prohibition repeal
Corrupt dishonest nature of drug prohibition
Exotericist drive to perpetually delay control-seizure and transcendent enlightenment
Awareness of entheogenic eucharist in modern churches
Insidern/Outsider dynamic in Christianity
Different attitudes towards conversion among exoteric religions
Determinism/free-will contradiction in exoteric religion
Terence Mckenna’s psychedelic ideas, his progressive and trippy thinking and his limitations
New age attitudes towards psychedelia
Quantum woo-woo
Psychedelic culture and social tolerance compared to LGBT lifestyle
Nese Devenot’s Mckenna inspired writing
Psychedelic psychotherapy and its relevance to the egodeath theory
Personal and transpersonal issues
Freud’s concept of substitute wish fulfilment and how it can be used to analyse exotericism
Freud’s theory of mythological interpretation, Oedipus and Electra


Cutting edge conversation between Max Freakout and Cyber Disciple. This episode is part two of a two-part analysis of neuroscience and its metaphysical basis. In this episode Max and Cyb talk about the philosophical issue of mind/matter substance dualism.

Topics covered include:
Dosage levels in Carhart-Harris’ psychedelic neuroscience study
Benny Shanon’s research into psychedelic phenomenology
The philosophy of mind/body dualism
The materialist and ordinary-state basis of the academic worldview
Negative academic attitudes towards metaphysical idealism per George Berkeley’s philosophy
Descartes’ conception of substance dualism
Deliberate ambiguity towards noumenal unreality (immateriality) in Kantian philososphy
Egoic self-negation in the intense altered state (ego death experience)
Virtual environment and the bubble of simulation
Schopenhauer’s idealism
Platonic idealism
Ordinary-state based category errors in commentaries on ancient philosophers like Plato
Donald Davidson’s philosophy of rational agency
Psychedelic metaperception and idealism
Mediated and unmediated perception, representation and referent
Tacit implications of Frank Jackson’s seminal paper ‘What Mary didn’t know’
Incomplete thinking in Andrew Letcher and Frank Jackson
Comparing Jackson’s neuroscientist Mary to Robin Carhart-Harris
Michael Rinella’s suggestion that Plato held a negative attitude towards altered-state revelation
Description of transcendent thought-injection in Plato’s dialogue with Ion
Comparing MRI brain scans to Kirlian photography depicting auras

Late posting, has been live for a week and a half

Part 1 on Psychedelic Neuroscience:


Begins with a review of the typical paradigms in contemporary pop psychedelia.

Main content of the episode is a critique of Martin Ball’s Entheological Paradigm as representative of New Age psychedelic spirituality.


In this episode we discuss our motivations in beginning this collaborative podcast and define the typical paradigms of contemporary pop psychedelia. Below is a list of the main topics and a variety of subtopics discussed throughout our conversation. This episode introduces our coming series focusing on each of the typical paradigms in turn.

The main topic covered is:

  • Identification of explanatory paradigms within popular psychedelia
    • Psychotherapy (e.g. MAPS)
    • Nonduality spirituality (e.g. Martin Ball’s Entheological Paradigm)
    • Neuroscience (e.g. recent research from Robin Carhart-Harris)
    • Entheogens in religious history
    • Drug Policy Reform
    • Plant-spirit Shamanism
Other topics discussed at points in our conversation, though not in this order, include:
  • The uptake of a radical new paradigm
    • altered state revision of implicit assumption frameworks; Psychedelics as “assumption revealers”; Plato’s cave allegory and its application to altered state phenomenology
    • Academic self-reinforcing feedback loops and resistance to radical paradigm revision; The entheogen-diminishing strategy of relegating entheogens to footnotes and introductions; The importance of placing entheogens front and centre in historical study; Academic scholarship vs. Internet scholarship
    • The distinction between Michael Hoffman’s writing style and the theoretical content
  • Physicalist and idealist perspectives on entheogens; Different versions of no-freewill; William Alston’s book on religious experiencing ‘Perceiving God’; Alston’s concept of ‘over-riders’ which invalidate religious experiences
  • Minimal, moderate and maximal theories of entheogen history
    • The effect of the altered state on ancient Greek culture; Interpreting classical literature in light of altered state dynamics; Botanical identification of entheogenic plants in ancient culture; Carl Ruck’s writing on ancient culture and entheogens; Luther Martin’s book ‘Hellenistic religion’ which emphasises heimarmene as a key concern of ancient religion; Over-emphasis on Eleusis in academic writings on ancient mystery religions; Michael Rinella’s book ‘Pharmakon’
    • Luke Timothy Johnson’s entheogen diminishment in his writing/speaking on Christianity; Limitations of John Allegro’s entheogenic theory of Christianity; Tom Hatsis’ writings on entheogen history and witchcraft; Hatsis’ dismissal of entheogen theory of Christianity; Hatsis’ study of scopolamine plants in ancient witchcraft practises



Complementing the first podcast, in this second one Max and I discuss his history with the Egodeath Theory.

Covers youthful exploration of psychoactive drugs, drug-induced control loss, developing interest in philosophy and theorizing, Psychonautica podcast and interview with Michael Hoffman, posting in online forums, relationship to pop psychedelia, obstructions to mainstream academic career in philosophy/religious studies, experience of learning the Egodeath theory Phase 1 and Phase 2.

Coming episodes include initial definition of prominent models of thinking in contemporary discussion of psychoactives and analysis of Martin Ball’s Entheological Paradigm.

Max Freakout invited me to join him in creating a podcast. The first episode, as a videolog, is now available on youtube:

In this first episode we discuss my history with the egodeath theory.

In coming episodes Max will tell his story, and we will discuss our motivations for collaborating in the podcast format, define common sets of assumptions present in contemporary discourse about psychedelics, and begin to present and critique those assumptions from the standpoint of the egodeath theory.


Metaphorical Psychedelic Eternalism
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